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On the underground resistance

Are you freaking out? I’m freaking out.
Yes. I am freaking out.

I can’t fucking take it. I hate the news outlets for covering it like this. It’s meant to maximize our suffering. If trump wins I very seriously may commit suicide due to lack of faith in humanity.
Don’t commit suicide. We will get through this together.

I’m terrified.
Me too.

Drop the arrogant tone, kid.
Go fuck yourself.

I’m watching the votes roll in and I cannot stop crying. I’m so fucking nervous right now.
Go ahead and cry. This is worthy of your tears.

Fuck Gary Johnson. Fuck Gary Johnson. FUCK GARY JOHNSON!!!
Ralph Nader did this to us in 2000. History repeats. Such is life.

Coke, I’m watching the numbers come in and I’m freaking out. Help.
I cannot help you. We must accept this new reality with strong minds and calm hearts.

I’m so scared.
That’s okay. Just know, the republic will survive.

I feel like we’re all going to die in a nuclear holocaust now.
This will not result in your death, though unless you resist, it may result in your enslavement.

I am numb but almost in tears. What is happening?
A neo-fascist with a personality disorder conned his way into being the leader of the free world. It happens. Don’t worry. We will all be around to watch his downfall.

Do you have any words of comfort for us in this time of great fuckery?
Yes. In this time of great fuckery, know that you are on the right side of history, and though we may face difficult times ahead, it will only provide wings for the better angels of our nature.

Coke. I’m crying. I’m shattered. I’m in Australia, watching in horror and I can’t even begin to process what you guys are feeling. I’m so sorry.
It’s okay. We got this. The man will fuck up in such a way that he will not see the end of his first term as President.

what are we going to fucking do
Resist.

Coke, I don’t want to live in this America. Trump almost President? I would rather die. It feels like the only option right now.
It is still our America. This is a grotesque fluke. The system will correct itself.

How the fuck is this happening?
America is filled with a small-minded, hateful, and willfully ignorant population of uneducated rural white voters. Trump got them to show up to the polls. Don’t worry. This will not happen again.

How do we Impeach a sitting president nowadays, by your estimation?
It will be quite easy with a con man like Trump. He is imminently impeachable.

What do I do? What do I do? What do I do? Please, give me something tangible that I can work toward to help this horrible country. Please.
Stay engaged and fight. Resist. Do not back down. Never give up.

What Now?
Fuckery.

What the actual fuck?! How, why, I don’t even know what to say right now.
Breathe easy. We will survive this.

This is all just a stress dream, right? I’m going to wake up and Clinton will be in the White House.
No. This is reality. Accept it.

Coke, please? I’m scared of Trump. I’m angry and sad and empty. I was so proud to be an American -so proud to be a Michigander. Where do we go from here? How do we make this okay?
Your state fucked the whole country tonight. It’s not okay, but it is what happened. Now it’s time to pick up the pieces and move on.

Never has “embrace the fucking change” made more visceral sense. What just happened?
History fucked us, as history is wont to do. We have no choice but to embrace it, for now.

Jesus fucking Christ. What happens next? What. Happened.
Tomorrow happens next. It will be okay. This is a shock, but the future is rich with possibility.

I just don’t fucking understand.
Don’t try to understand. Try to accept, and then gird your loins for battle.

I’m sure I’m not alone in asking this, now what? Earlier today when I was living in delirious denial, I was sure we’d elect our first woman president and turn the senate blue. I was wrong. I feel like the end of the world is here. Stock market crash, divided country, and someone truly unqualified, unstable, racist, misogynist, is going to take the highest office in the land in 70+ days. I imagine that Pence the terrifying evangelical will be the defacto president. Coke, I’m lost. Please give me something.
This is not the end of anything. It is the beginning of our call to action. We are on the right side of history, but nobody said this shit would be easy.

I will gladly join the resistance to take down the clown. Also any advice on what actions to take/how to best counteract Trump’s hate would be much appreciated in this dark despondent time.
Depending on how things pan out, I will have more information in the coming days with regard to joining the resistance. I’m not joking about this.

Were you serious about applications? I’m fucking horrified right now. I feel so numb. But something within me has changed tonight and I want to do something, anything. Much love from a longtime reader.
Yes. It’s too early to tell what it will become, but I am deadly serious about starting a movement. We can do this.

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194 thoughts on “On the underground resistance

  1. Stephen says:

    In the words of Pat Benatar:

    “We can’t afford to be innocent
    Stand up and face the enemy
    It’s a do-or-die situation
    We will be invincible”

    We will resist. We will do so because we must.

  2. Anna says:

    I’m up for the underground networking. Not a US citizen, but we might be facing the same kind of situation in Europe next year but worse.
    Not only is history on our side, but believe it or not the balance of power is so too.
    However, during WWII the Communist Youth managed to form a resistance group because poor record keeping protected many members from arrest and imprisonment/execution. The more responsible and adult Communist Party members didn’t have that same luck.
    Today in the age of the internet, we don’t have the luxury of anonymity. I’m shit scared as to how progressives are going to fare with the impending menace of neo-fascist political parties and political repression in the developed world.

    • Laura says:

      + 1!

      Wiping of the tears now. Count me in, if you need help from Europe. Also I could marry someone in danger for citizenship.

      @ Anna: I’m shit scared, too, for the very same reasons. But: There are also plenty of new opportunities. We just have to be careful not to Quangel it up and lose our postcards in the digital sawmill.

      • Anna says:

        Neo liberalism isn’t working anymore. Systemic unemployment and climate change are some examples of what Occidental political institutions cannot deal with.
        We’ve got to get our shit together or in the next hundred years we’re heading towards global disaster on a scale never seen before.
        The natural transition would be to socialism in the majority of developed countries including the US.
        The neoliberal tendencies to increase individual productivity (so as to reduce number of employees) havr the side effect of producing citizens who are more educated and have more free time (due to unemployment especially for younger citizens) than ever. These are citizens who are capable of revolting, seizing the keys of power (as well as managing that power).

    • definitely not batman says:

      +1 more from Europe. As a lesbian, I’m terrified for my fellow LGBT+ ppl in particular, although I feel for all of you. Even the Trump voters who got swindled by a con artist and will probably realize it soon, and painfully.

      Although none of those Trump fuckers better come to me for marriage or some shit, I have my limits LOL

      • Tom says:

        +1 also here in Europe. As a Spaniard, we still remember what is it like to live under a dictatorship (surprise surprise it’s not nice). We are almost invariably sorry for the results of these elections of yours. Stay strong.

        • J Lynn says:

          We may need the advice of those who have personally survived totalitarianism. Americans have no clue about that.

          Many people are in denial: “It can’t be that bad!” But Hitler was VOTED in, seized power in < 6 months.

          I keep thinking it's no coincidence that our last WW2 vets and the Holocaust refugees who came here, as well as all their peers, have mostly died in the last 5 years. They knew how fragile pluralism, democracy is; they lived it. Without them, history repeats.

          Hope I’m wrong.

    • Anna says:

      Come back to this comment in a week if you’re capable of doing field work in Europe, I’ll post a safe link to an encrypted discussion (or maybe I can have CQ contact you directly). Especially interested if you’re in a European country with limited access to abortion.
      I’m not planning activities that will get anyone prosecuted, but I intend to start testing the practicality and security of an online underground network ASAP, and I need international collaboration (I already have access to a hackerspace).

  3. Rainbowpony says:

    Coke, I have a metric fuckton of skills, which are currently under-utilized.
    And there a bunch of incredibly smart, gifted and skilled people on this blog.

    Here. We. Go.

  4. wrkrb says:

    I’m thinking of wrapping up my current affairs and heading to Standing Rock. Also pretty committed to the network of street markets I’m involved in but now there are concerns like protecting mass amounts of immigrants (check out the sanctuary movement), making sure abortion rights are locked down state by state and groundfunding reproductive health affordability (maybe through Planned Parenthood?), and upping the dial on cop watching to the max.

    • GI says:

      How about you let it play out and see how it goes because I GUARANTEE you whatever nightmare situation you’ve got in your little head won’t come into fruition. Don’t fucking worry

      • Aletheia says:

        Cutting down women’s, LGBT+, and minorities’ rights alone is nightmare enough, and those are very, VERY real threats to worry about.

        • Andi says:

          Well the problem is that none of GI’s rights are going to be taken away, so he doesn’t give a shit about ours, and has the audacity to tell us that we are overreacting to a very real and very frightening prospect.

  5. Livvid says:

    Cq,

    I don’t know what to say other than thank you. After sobbing my eyes out I scoured the internet for something, for some wisdom to parse this reality, for an acknowledgement of the madness, for a promise that the sun will indeed rise tomorrow.

    Thank you. Thank you for reminding my vulnerable terrified millennial ass I don’t get give up. Thank you for reminding me it’s ok to cry and be terrified. Thank you for reminding my fighting spirit that I’ve still got something left in me.

    See you in the resistance, CQ. See you all there.

  6. husk says:

    What can *I* do. You, you have connections with people who have influence, you know people. What the fuck can I, a 27-year-old with only a high school education, no connections, and a less-than-average intelligence, do. I’m serious. What can *actually* be done by someone normal. Please. What.
    Please.

    • Stephen says:

      Speak, even when fear tells you to stay quiet.

      Stand, even when fear tells you to sit down.

      Do anything, even when your fear tells you to do nothing.

      The fear will want you to stop speaking out, stop going out, stop doing anything that could be perceived as resistance to a Trump presidency and the followers who installed him into the Oval Office. Fuck that fear. Do whatever you can, whenever you can, no matter what.

      Write essays. Volunteer. Get involved with local politics. Whatever you do, do it with all your heart.

      • LifeofBrian says:

        Don’t give into the hate and fear he’s shoveling. Walk tall, show people his regime is targeting that they have support regardless of what others might scream.

        Historically we take 2 steps forward, 1 step back. We made mountains of progress and now we’re getting some blowback from the fuckers in the slow lane. It happens. They can’t undo everything. Moreover we won’t let them.

        Just tell yourself it’s a tantrum from someone who didn’t want to eat their veggies or take their medicine or anything good for them. Like all tantrums it will stop and the rest of the world will move on. Yes it can be ugly. Yes some things can get damaged. But the world will move on.

    • Betsy says:

      People who are willing to contemplate that they are dumber than the average person usually have a healthier perspective than people who never could consider that. I mean, stop hating yourself by all means – you’re more resourceful, creative, and powerful than you can imagine.

    • ansuz says:

      Find organizers. Ask them what they need. Do they need babysitters? Babysit their kids. Do they need transportation? Drive them, if you can. Make them lunch. Do what you can.

    • jen says:

      Serious question: what can we do right now? What can the little POS with nada to their name do, to be vocal and display their dismay and anger and make a difference because who, legit, expected that?

      • wrkrb says:

        “I am sure that the only reason I am widely known is because in 1927, when I was thirty-two, I decided to make an experiment of myself. The experiment sought to discover and realize what would happen if a healthy, moneyless, unknown individual with dependent wife and newborn child altogether discarded the assumption that an honorable human must earn the right of family and self to live (“earn a living”) and do so to the satisfaction of the socioeconomic power structure governing the political system in which he lived and, breaking away from all socially accepted concepts of the significance of human presence on planet Earth, undertook to discover what – if anything – a mature individual might be able to do effectively on behalf of all humanity that would be inherently impossible of accomplishment by any political system, nation, or private enterprise corporation no matter how powerful or well-endowed.” ♡Buckminster Fuller

  7. Emily says:

    This is democracy. This happens.
    We need to remember this level of engagement, how much we all care right now, how heartbroken we feel, and use this energy to carry us to the next elections.
    We need to turn this into a positive force.
    Remember that we still have a voice. We know what we stand for, and we are still here.

  8. Regina says:

    Can’t sleep. You are right, of course…
    If Hillary has taught us nothing it is the importance of perseverance.
    If fact, this feels like a profound moment of change. No half measures will do.
    If Democrats could organize and attack with the same tenacity of the Republicans, they would be unstoppable. Trump’s win may be the gift that bites Republicans in the ass.
    Keep us posted.

  9. Wyatt says:

    Interesting time to be a citizen. Paris agreement, Iran deal, nuclear proliferation, immigration executive orders, privacy and free speech… A level head is important. What are we concerned about? What are our actionable steps?

  10. Jen says:

    Thank you so much for this. My kiddo is sleeping next to me in bed and I need to get some rest to get through tomorrow, but this genuinely helped me. Going to let a few more tears fall and hug him and get ready for tomorrow.

      • Jen says:

        In what sense? Also, fuck you. After everything we went through last night and I’m not allowed a few emotions and some gratitude for some intelligent support instead of more “whyyyyyy.” Fuck you.

        • Anthony says:

          Don’t listen to that jerk. You are allowed to feel whatever it is you’re feeling. Use that energy to work for change, don’t dwell in hate, rise above it!

          • Jen says:

            No doubt, thank you!! It’s something I feel I HAVE to do, to be active. And I think we will have ample opportunities to find something we can feel good about doing in the coming days. If not we will make our own little efforts.

        • GI says:

          “Everything we went through last night”… wow. Just wow. You guys need to toughen the fuck up and realise this situation is nowhere near as bad as your brains are telling you it is. Stunned by Coquette’s lack of perspective here too, all because she’s on the losing team. Quit whining and bitching and recognise that it’s not the nightmare situation you make it out to be.

          • Stephen says:

            “this situation is nowhere near as bad as your brains are telling you it is” — Republicans haven’t been given this level of control over the country’s government since 1928. In case you didn’t know, that was the year before Black Friday and the start of The Great Depression.

            This is no nightmare. This is reality. You’re the one who needs to wake up.

          • Aletheia says:

            @Stephen: (I agree with what you’re getting at, but it’s Black Tuesday that started the Great Depression. Black Friday’s the day Americans turn into animals over sales… 😛 )

          • Jessica Sen says:

            “This situation is nowhere near as bad as your brains are telling you it is.”

            This shit isn’t about Trump, you ignorant fuckclown.

            This shit is about the people who voted for Trump, who believe in the bullshit he stood for during his campaign. The sheer amount of hateful, racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, ignorant losers out there. That’s the horror show.

  11. Jen says:

    Also I’m from Wisconsin and despite our showing tonight, we inspired Occupy through our massive protests and months long occupation of the state capitol. A lot of lessons were learned and some shortcomings to be sure. I was turned off to almost all politics after we lost our recall election, but now I know I can’t sit idle. Sign me up and happy to talk.

    • GI says:

      You’re going to feel very fucking stupid when nothing happens and nothing changes. Mark my words. Dramatic millennial babies

      • Rainbowpony says:

        FUCK feeling stupid.
        Your financial and physical safety are going to be jeopardized. You will eat your smug words.
        You’re like a person, who never having seen the outcomes of measles, is anti-vaxx.

          • Rainbowpony says:

            Exhibit a: do you have a retirement account? Because that could evaporate in a market in freefall. IF you are on the cusp of retirement you will be fucked because you can’t wait another 10 years before you start to draw, hoping the markets will rebound.

            Exhibit b: do you have affordable healthcare? Because price shifting trends indicate that even private, “good” insurances are going to have increasing premiums and out of pockets.

            That’s just the stuff that will apply directly to your privileged ass.

          • wrkrb says:

            exhibit c) do you have a uterus?

            exhibit d) do you know any families who could be ripped apart by aggressive deportation?

            exhibit e) are you concerned that after engaging in violent interventions that ballooned into prolonged conflicts we now have a leader who publicly makes threats about whether we will provide haven for war victims?

            exhibit f) are you concerned about the safety of trans people?

            exhibit g) if none of these things concern you then it makes sense that you don’t understand because what’s in jeopardy isn’t valued by you

      • Strangely Rational says:

        We’re not all Millennials, asshole. Some of us are old enough to have seen some serious shit go down, and we’re not too thrilled about having all our hard-fought social progress evaporate.

  12. J Lynn says:

    MIDTERMS
    MIDTERMS
    MIDTERMS
    STATEHOUSE
    STATEHOUSE
    STATEHOUSE

    Historically Dems/libs/progs lazy as fuck about Midterms and state government.

    We left Obama out to dry in 2010, and let Newt Gingrich severely damage the Clinton presidency in 1994.

    We must organize for the contests that aren’t exciting. That are competed in by boring people. That are only of interest to us and our physical-world neighbors, not our social media networks.

    If we had won, we’d STILL need those midterms, because the R’s were gonna win the US House regardless. Now we need them all the more.

    MIDTERMS.
    2018.

  13. The Derpy Bear says:

    Oh man… this is kind of surreal. Canadians were watching closely too… I hope things don’t get to fucky down there 🙁

  14. Gi says:

    Oh shut the fuck up you dramatic little babies. Left v Right, Dem v Republican, Trump v Hillary, it’s all BS to get you rallying behind someone like a sports team. Nothing will change just like nothing changed with anyone else in charge. The President doesn’t do shit but sign off on other people’s decisions.

    Fuckin clueless babies!

  15. Bunny says:

    Ah CQ, I’m a big fan, but this whole post is so pretentious. It reads like a diagnosis for America’s narcissistic personality disorder.

    • Jessica Sen says:

      “If you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may feel a sense of entitlement — and when you don’t receive special treatment, you may become impatient or angry.”

      Arrogance is the unrealistic belief in your abilities. Coquette has helped many people through her blog – her fans are living proof. She is confident, not arrogant.

      Monopolize conversations? How many times has Coquette posted in this chat?

      She does not belittle people – she calls them out on their bullshit.

      She does not believe anyone is inferior to her – she believes their belief systems are inferior to hers.

      Special treatment? She’s pseudonymous. If she wanted special treatment, she’d seek fame not anonymity.

      You saying you’re a big fan then insulting Coquette is pretentious.

      QED: My unmedical diagnosis for you – Hypocrites Disorder.

      • Bunny says:

        I know you put a lot of effort into this comment. Cute bulletpoints.

        BTW: You got so blinded by rage you didn’t notice my NPD comment was about “America(ns)” not CQ. Read things properly.

  16. kcat says:

    Augh it´s not a damned fluke! You said it yourself- ¨America is filled with a small-minded, hateful, and willfully ignorant population of uneducated rural white voters.¨ Yes. There are a lot of those people and they have been allowed to flourish in their bullshit largely due to the fact that their racism, sexism, and all that other good stuff is completely what America was *founded* on and you *know* how entrenched all this systematic oppression shit is. So I feel like we can´t really do any of the kind of resistence work you´re referring to, that we (esp cis white people like myself) SO BADLY need to get the fuck more actively involved in- to dismantle any of it unless we acknowledge/process it and help those around us do the same. I feel so ashamed that my privileged ass sat around *surprised* at the depth and power of white supremacy and the intense patriarchal core of this country.

    Fuck, sorry if that´s just a rambly mess- I´m pretty minimally functional today as a whole 🙁 .

  17. Dev Avora says:

    “The man will fuck up in such a way that he will not see the end of his first term as President.”

    Except what do we do when the entire chain is fucked? As a Hoosier I know without a doubt Pence is worse than Trump. The man sprang from Koch Bros. sperm fully formed. And I don’t even want to think about Ryan or Hatch or their replacements in the Oval Office.

    • I hate life says:

      Literally there is a Republican majority everywhere. He has, as they say, a mandate to do whatever he wants to whoever he wants. He could start shooting PoC in the head on the White House lawn with cameras on him and get away with it.

    • Strangely Rational says:

      Hoosier here too, and I agree with you about Pence. At least with Trump, he doesn’t give a shit about the Republicans and has been fucking with them just so he could win. It’ll be interesting to see if he plays along for awhile or if he drops it and does whatever unpredictable thing he’s going to do next.

      With Trump and all his lies, you’re never sure what you’re going to get. With Pence, you know it’s going to be shit.

  18. HMM says:

    I live in a relatively rural part of NY, right near a major Canadian city and a mid sized city in Vermont. I plan on setting up a safe spot in a rural area where I can grow food. I can provide a place to rest and food for help when the time comes and I can make my move.

    • GI says:

      Safe spot? God some of you lefties hit unprecedented levels of pussification with the shit you come out with. Trump may not be ideal (neither was Hillary) but what exactly do you think will happen now that he’s President? Dramatic fucking babies, man

      • HMM says:

        You’ve just done the comment equivalent of shitting your pants in front of a class room. Who the fuck do you think you are? I’m sorry the term “safe space” is so triggering for you that anything that vaguely resembles it results in you using terms like “pussification.” I don’t give a fuck what will happen. I give a fuck about what is happening.

        Get a grip, motherfucker. Look around you. Pull your head out of your ass far enough so that your eyeholes can peep some shit. People are dying in the fucking streets. People don’t have clean water. People are starving to death.

        So yeah, a safe spot with clean water and food. A place to sleep. Is that so offensive to you, you driveling fuckwad? Do you shit on the door steps of homeless shelters?

        I don’t know how people get so fucking stupid. You were born with the potential for immense critical thought and capabilities, and here you are, on a comment thread spewing hate bile at a comment that mentions wanting to provide shelter. What the fuck?

        • GI says:

          Safe space, triggering, you’re just full of these tired buzz words aren’t you? At least I made up “pussification”.

          What the fuck does people dying in the streets or starving have to do with weaklings like you finding a safe space to get away from what you believe Donald Trump’s America will look like?

          Bunch of whiny millennial assholes without a clue. Nothing about America as you know it will change in the next 4 years, whether Trump or Hillary were elected.

          • J Lynn says:

            We saw GI a few weeks ago. He likes to say “pussy” a lot, just like Trump. He is a trifling individual who is angry yet passive.

          • HMM says:

            I was using the language to make fun of you. Fuck, you’re thick.

            Also, you didn’t make up pussification. Sorry, shit fart. You didn’t even actually respond to me.

            Also, did he pop up around the same time as Jessica. Sen?

          • Rainbowpony says:

            The only reason you feel that way is because you are a privileged white man, probably middle class, educated. .. you’ve never been threatened by anything in your life. The old system rewards you, and that’s why nothing will matter to you. You fail to see the life outcomes of everyone around you who isn’t like you.

          • GI says:

            Can’t reply to the posts below for some reason but I’m not this other ‘GI’ character you think I am, sorry

          • Cuttlefish says:

            If you think you made up “pussification” you are an even bigger moron than you have appeared thus far. I’ve heard more angry, dimwitted neckbeards rant about the “pussification of the American male” than I’d care to count.

            Also, you may not want to throw stones about folks being “dramatic”, Little Miss Glass House. You are the one going out of your way to spend lots of time shitting all over people in the comments section of an advice columnist you hate. A normal person would not do that. It is the behavior of a dramatic, pathetic little bitch who gets off on upsetting and provoking vulnerable people for no good reason. You’re just a sad, creepy little attention-starved loser. I’m sorry no one likes you, dude. That must be rough.

          • Strangely Rational says:

            Yeah, I was using the word “pussification” a decade ago when they came out with the Hummer H3. (The word for the Hummer H2 was “yuppification”).

            Not original in either case, but accurate.

  19. Alison says:

    Resistance? Pfft. You American morons are too busy watching Westworld and popping anti anxiety medication to resist anything. Like I said in the previous post – you Americans are the dumbest people on the planet.

    China will become the new dominant economic/military global power in a few years, while you over entertained pill-poppers become a full fledged Idiocracy, if you aren’t already one. Tootles 😄

    • GI says:

      More or less spot on. This “resistance” will last for about a week before everyone loses interest. Or perhaps these pussies will realise that whatever apocalyptic future they’re imagining with Trump as president will not actually occur.

      The President is just a cog in a machine, they don’t make any real decisions.

      • J Lynn says:

        The president makes a LOT of decisions. You are extremely ignorant. The president has almost unchecked power in foreign affairs.

        He has less power in domestic affairs.

    • Lin says:

      How about you take that uniquely Singaporean level of callous indifference to human suffering and go cane some Myanmar maids with it?

  20. maharlika says:

    I’ve been reading/following you since the Coke Talk days. I’m a Filipino working in a call center for one of your country’s major credit cards and a couple of weeks ago I assisted a Hispanic woman living in California to make a payment of $35 to replenish her already maxed out credit line, all for the chance of allowing one transaction to go through: her contribution to Hillary’s campaign. I have noticed that she has been donating every week and it made my heart jump. You have to understand that this woman is revolving her balance, barely making ends meet every cut off. After I gave her her payment confirmation number, she said, “You must think I am crazy. I’m from Puerto Rico and I come here with no money but I work hard everyday.” The lump in my throat made me shut my lips. I couldn’t trust myself to form an empathetic reply without letting it be known that #Imwithher as well. We were not allowed to comment on matters like this. After a long, pregnant silence. She took a deep breath and said, “I’m doing this for my daughter, I don’t want her to be like me.”

    Today, I’m crying for her and the many people like her who believe in a progressive future in the land of the free. You must all be feeling like shit right now but I know your warm hearts and your resilient spirits will find a way to make things work. You always do. I may not be an American but I feel the collective sadness that you all must feel.

    Hold your head high, my friends. Take a deep breath. This is just the beginning.

  21. J Lynn says:

    There’s really a lot of hatred for Americans in this thread. It’s very lazy thinking.

    But THANK YOU to the greater number offering support.

    • Alison says:

      I don’t hate Americans, you’re just a really dumb nation. I mean, Trump? Really? Reaaalllyyy? What was it de Tocqueville said about democracies? In democracy you get the government you deserve … something to that effect. Dumb asses elect dumb leaders and you elected the dumbest you could possibly find.

          • Bry says:

            You’re right. Liberals have themselves to blame for this one. I hope the country regroups and I hope nobody popps Trump. Mike Pence is worse. Hey, at least it’s not president Cruz, amirite!? 🙄 Most of the right have been drooling invalids with no grasp on basic facts. Meanwhile, most of the smug left has just thumbed their noses and formed echochambers, like this one, instead of reaching out. Now, all this drama queen shit. Too busy whining to learn anything. Fucking embarrassing.

          • Stephen says:

            @Bry — It’s hard to reach out to racists, sexists, and xenophobes when they’d prefer to chop your hand off rather than shake it.

            Yes, reaching out to those with whom we disagree would be the best thing to do. Trying to understand why they feel the way they do and figure out how to address their concerns? Absolutely valid thing to do, and godspeed to anyone that tries. But at a certain level, some people don’t want to be reached out to. They want to live in their hatred. They want to drown in it.

            And there’s no sense in letting them pull us down into the muck with them.

          • Rainbowpony says:

            Alison, achievement in mathematics does not excuse moral vacuousness. The fact that you conflate the two speaks volumes of your pathologic tendencies. In plain words: you a disgusting person, and every bit as stupid as the Americans you put down. You and them are similar because you have an emotional and moral intelligence of zero, and you trend toward (simple, childish) authoritarian thinking.

            Good luck with that sweety.

          • Bry says:

            @Stephen
            Not everyone who voted for Trump is unreachably bigoted. Some are, yes. Maybe even half but he won big. Now, idiots are talking about a “resistance ” against him taking power. I hate the dude as well but he won, fair and square.

          • Stephen says:

            @Bry — “Not everyone who voted for Trump is unreachably bigoted. Some are, yes.” ~ And those people can go die in a fire. We don’t need them, we can’t reach them, and we won’t abide their noxious beliefs and behavior any longer. We’ve been nice enough to them for too long.

            “Now, idiots are talking about a “resistance” against him taking power.” ~ We will not “resist” his taking power. That would be lunacy. (And it would be everything we feared would happen to Hillary if she had won.)

            What we will “resist” is any attempt he, his administration, and the GOP-controlled federal government will make to harm those in the most danger of being harmed by their future policies and laws. We will “resist” the white nationalists and sexists and homophobes now emboldened by Trump’s victory by speaking out against and protecting others from them. We will “resist” the urge to sit back and let the apocalypse fall upon us, to simply accept the next four years as a “stopgap” towards some bright and shiny future.

            Hopeless despair is the realm of cowards. Idealistic optimism is the realm of fools. Now is the time for pragmatism — for figuring out what needs to be done, doing it, and hoping for the best while bracing for the worst. We will do what we can to help those we must because it is the right goddamned thing to do.

            So are you going to help, or are you going to sit back and watch?

          • VeryIrritable says:

            LOL SINGAPORE!
            The place where people urinate in elevators and caning is common practice. That’s a “fine city” you have there!
            Don’t know how you think you’re smarter than anyone here, your culture appears to be more materialistic than tru…oh shit, that’s it.
            You identify with trump! You WANT gold plated toilets.
            All of my friends that circulate through singapore because it’s part of our industry can’t wait to get the FUCK OUT.

            I bet you wish you could leave yourself.

        • Jessica Sen says:

          Yay, I adore Singapore.

          Alison, behave yourself. Or I’ll ask Lee Kuan Yew’s ghost child to put you behind bars for illegal demagoguery.

      • Margo says:

        Shut. The. Fuck. Up. You are being cruel to people who are already in pain. Everyone here already thinks the Americans who voted for trump are dumb, that’s part of the problem. Stop feeling smug about someone else’s tragedy you grotesque sadist.

          • Jessica Sen says:

            Remember, there is a difference between respecting someone and respecting their belief system. Respect all, disregard most. Love all, understand all.

            And now I’m preaching. Throw me in church, please, for the love for Cunt.

      • J Lynn says:

        @BRY
        You should think before you make incendiary generalizations. You have no clue how hard some people reading these threads have worked to elect a sane leader.

        I talked to members of my family who never vote and got them registered to vote in the Democratic Primary and for HRC just now. I got my sisters, both teachers, to distribute registration & voting materials to their students who are turning 18. I helped my boyfriend write personal letters to persuade his extended family.

        Despite dealing with a health crisis, I made 300+ GOTV phone calls for Hillary over Fri, Sat, Monday, Tue. Yesterday I called Ohio until the polls closed, then Iowa til the polls closed, then Arizona til the polls closed, as 8 or 9pm worked its way westward across this vast nation.

        I provided voting information and advice to many semi-active voters on another forum. I provided tons of policy information and how-to-vote information on this very website.

        I am sure I’m not unique in this here.

        There are people fearful, exhausted and grieving. Try not to be such an arrogant shithead, and that goes for the rest of you who are being shitheads today.

        Lay the fuck off.

        Also: HILLARY WON THE POPULAR VOTE.

        ..
        p.s. The American hegemony in NATO and UN may very well be, is probably OVER. Goody goody! My rage at reading Venas Abiertas de America Latina in college can now be slaked. But with Trump at the helm, it’s gonna go down messy, messy, messy. I hope all of you in your morally superior countries are ready to assume this morally compromised role in one form or another.

        • Bry says:

          J Lynn, thanks for your efforts. You know where I stand on electoral college vs popular vote from a while back on another thread on here. I was getting attacked by liberals for wanting to stop giving rural morons a disproportionate amount of influence. Now, they want to cry about the popular vote. I agree that we should stand against the policies that we find unacceptable. We should be doing that with any candidate. I simply think that’s different that resisting the rise to power of someone who was elected. Again, that will require reaching out to people we disagree with and swaying public opinion, not just bitching in the safe company of people who agree and shouting down those with different views. That’s the takeaway.

          • J Lynn says:

            I don’t remember defending the EC per se, if I did I only meant that “the system” was no reason to withhold a vote for HRC.

            Anyway … shit, that issue has become a lot more important in my own personal political priorities. There is a risk of taking away from smaller states totally, but STILL, when an EC/pop vote split has happened TWICE in 16 years (and 5 elections), it seems urgent. Plus the shenanigans with those Washington state dumbfucks. If not disband EC, at least reform.

            Until 1914, Senators were appointed rather than popularly elected, so maybe that’s some kind of encouragement that it can be done.

            Anyway, you were prescient on that!

      • Anna says:

        Please bitch, you haven’t read Tocqueville, and you don’t know shit about political science.
        (PS : that’s what you get when you try to insult 300 million people at once, unless your name is Donald Trump of course.)

      • Cuttlefish says:

        Trump didn’t win the popular vote, dumbass. Hillary did. She got 200,000+ more votes than he did. He only won because of the Electoral College.

        Also, it isn’t ridiculous to say you sound like a Trump voter. Making sweeping, obnoxious generalizations about an entire culture sounds EXACTLY like Donald Trump and his ilk (“they’re rapists, they’re murderers…”), as does your self-righteous and callous lack of compassion for those of us who fought tooth and nail against a Trump presidency only to end up with one.

        Of course there are a lot of fucking idiots in America. There are a lot of fucking idiots everywhere. Including wherever you happen to be from, based on a sample size of one.

  22. Sjoerd says:

    And to make matters worse, Hillary is now leading the popular vote. How the hell has this voting system survived for this long?

      • wrkrb says:

        GI I do not think that you are sincere in offering substance to the discussion, you engage in troll language bombs that work people up, I’m not going to bother perusing the thread to suss out who used language you reacted to that prompted a reaction to your reaction or on and on – it is indicative of your character that in the wake of such a huge event with many of us reeling, your immediate reaction is to find a place to anonymously sling petty insults at your rivals from behind a screen.

      • Stephen says:

        The system is a joke. On that, we can all agree.

        I can’t, however, agree with your other statement — because Trump didn’t expose shit.

        You might consider Trump as the endgame of a system that was broken long before we were born. But have you considered that it wasn’t the electoral system that allowed him to reach this point? That it wasn’t a “broken” political system that let him win? Because it wasn’t.

        It was the people of this country who pushed him towards the White House. You can argue they were fooled by or disgusted with a “broken system”, but they ultimately cast their votes in favor of a pompous windbag with no political experience. And they did so with full knowledge of the “broken system”. They did so in the hopes that Trump would “fix” that system.

        But he won’t fix shit. And he didn’t expose shit. Don’t ever fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

  23. Jacob says:

    Hello! Canadian here to confirm Trudeau is already initiating public relation and private relation meetings with Trump & committee.

    With family high-ranked in our military, I was upset to be a part of such a conservative family. Until now.

    Whatever happens, Canada has and can be an ally for America–but not Trump’s abortion of it! If there is a movement of any kind I can help from up north, I’d be glad to.

    In the meantime, I also want you guys to know myself and hundreds of Canadians I know alone are already making plans to assist U.S. emmigrants (especially of-color, but anyone) in arriving safely up north.

    If Justin Trudeau has to disappear, or if we can simply give some emmigrants a safe place, you’re not alone and us silly Canucks are way less laughable when we’re concerned about your shit spilling onto our plate.

    That said, much love to my brave Americans, I pray for you to every god and goddess, and all over the world people are scrambling to identify all ways we can help.

    Thank you, CT!

  24. Milana says:

    Ya’ll sound like a bunch of teenage girls. ” Please Coke, make me feel right 🙁 ”

    You thought you knew the world and the system and you don’t.
    The people want someone real, whether he’s an idiot or not.
    They don’t want another lady saying cliché shit people want to hear and have heard. Someone desperately bringing Gaga and Pharell to bring in votes. C’mon.

    She honestly should have destroyed him, instead of trying to play the higher ground. She didn’t play to win unfortunately.

    Trump pulled of some 48 Laws of Power shit and won. Nuff said..

      • Jill Stein 2016 says:

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why do you get dumber with time coke?

    • Stephen says:

      “The people want someone real, whether he’s an idiot or not.”

      Trump isn’t “real”, though. He’s a showman. He conned everyone into thinking he was a joke for a year, then he conned the American public into thinking he could solve all the country’s problems on his own. Hillary was a weak candidate, sure — but given the climate of the country after eight years of Obama, I don’t even think Bernie Sanders could’ve taken on Trump and won.

      There was too much hate and resentment in the air, and Trump seized on it with flashy showmanship that hid the lack of substance behind his broad-ranging “policies”. He is the President-Elect precisely because he conned the media, the American public, and even the GOP.

      He isn’t “real”. But he is our reality now.

      • J Lynn says:

        Trump is fake as fake can be.
        He’s like a ring you get out of one of the quarter machines.
        He is the 21st C PT Barnum, but mean.

        Agree w Stephen. Most Democrats could not have beaten Trump, horrifying as that is to consider. 17-some Republicans couldn’t. Hillz at least trounced him in the debates, better than the Rs managed. The only Dem challenger I’d put money on is Obama. Maybe not even, since he just squeaked by Romney, who was nothing special.

        The idea that a white nationalist with hordes of racist, anti-Semetic followers couldn’t beat a New England Jew is a laugh. Bernie plays an important role in raising his issues, but no, he’d be Dukakis’ed so quick. A 19-year-old College Republican can easily take down a stereotypical bleeding-heart liberal while also drunk and having a nice rape.

        Am praying that he actually goes to trial on his December Trump U fraud case and loses BIGLY.

  25. Lilly Cuckoo says:

    He needs a nickname that will stick with him throughout his term. a diminutive option for those who refuse to show him the respect of calling him Mr President.

  26. LK says:

    People, let’s not respond to the trolls. They are *incredibly* boring. Let’s show them the amount of attention they deserve: none at all.

    • J Lynn says:

      My boyfriend and I were seriously discussing that, how to support Ds in swing and red states with some of the potential surplus social, practical, financial capital currently being “wasted” in safe blue states like CA and NY. Something more personal than just writing a check or showing up to canvass at the end.

      Something along the lines of “adopt a district” or “adopt a downballot race.” Like really build relationships with local people trying to get Democrats into critical spots. Give money, give time spent researching, services in-kind like design, make calls, do whatever is asked and possible by local candidate or issue committees. Could start w one’s hometown or home state, because a lot of people in big cities are originally from Podunk places, or be matched to need by coordinating committee.

      On a different but related matter, and a tougher one, we white people who consider ourselves allies need to see if we can persuade extended family networks to be consciously anti-racist and anti-sexist and pro-pluralism and even pro-sensible government, to help counterbalance the right-wind propaganda in their media and FB feeds. A lot of us avoid talking politics with extended family bc we sense there’s disagreement. This election has illustrated that when we vacate these places and these subjects it creates a vacuum where otherwise apolitical provincial people find a White nationalist message palatable especially if introduced in the form of entertainment or “anti-establishment.” I do not excuse them at all, but in their homogeneous isolation, they are insensitive to the existential threat it poses to marginalized groups; they don’t take it seriously or something. I don’t know … this election result caught a lot of us by surprise. We need some legit psychological and social science research, not just punditry, to figure out what we’re up against with this wave of white nationalism that seems to be so much bigger than we realized.

      • Stephen says:

        This is a great comment, top to bottom. Especially that last paragraph, though. We all need to figure out what to do in that area.

      • Bowman says:

        Thank you for your reply; the points you’ve made definitely resonate. Do you have any leads about where to start getting in touch with coordinating committees that will match people with places in need? Or how to get involved in social science research as a volunteer? Trying not to get paralyzed by the mounting things that need to be done but not sure where to start specifically. I’m signed up as a volunteer for Democracy Now but interested to see if there are resources that you or someone else reading knows about.

        • J Lynn says:

          Not yet. But I will post as when things start to become clear.

          In the meantime, here are some tweeters to follow
          @algiordano – really strong understanding of organizing
          @docrocktex26 aka Propane Jane, brilliant black commentator from Texas
          @sarahkendzior – writing from St Louis, warned us that fascism could take the heartland
          @fawfulfan (Matthew Chapman)
          @shakestweetz (Melissa McEwan)
          @shaunking NY Daily News Reporter who has done fantastic reporting on police violence, and is now retweeting dozens of ex of horrific harassment perpetrated by MAGA fuckers in only 2 days post-election
          @MsPackyetti – Campaign Zero cofounder (grew out of BLM), also St Louis based
          @juliemickens, that’s me, but fair warning I RT a lot. Only really started fing w Twitter recently.

          These may be familiar to you already, but Talking Points Memo http://www.talkingpointsmemo. by Josh Marshall grew out of the resistance to Geo W Bush and Josh is one of my favorite political commentators who is in touch with political insiders but also smart enough not to fall for it. (Yes, I have had a crush on him for 15 years.) He puts things in perspective. There’s some news on TPM too but I mostly read it for Josh’s writing. BTW the site name started out as ironically mocking Bush neocons … until the phrase became mainstreamed!

          http://www.shakesville.com is Melissa McEwan’s blog. Well moderated feminism 201 (not 101) space with true heart.

          You will also find the work of committed Democrats on Daily Kos, also began during W. It’s sort of a group blogging site. So some articles are useful and others meh.

          Advice to everyone ESPECIALLY myself. Don’t let media consumption substitute for planmaking and genuine networking w people. And for the love of God, don’t watch or read CNN (in case you ever did), they are fucking traitors and they are manufacturing not even just consent, but capitulation.

  27. wrkrb says:

    Verified national polling infrastructure to effectively capture data on citizen responses rather than clusterfuck of stat methodology thrown at whoever they can drum up. Begin building the tools for direct democracy.

    • Stephen says:

      On one hand, yeah, a nationalized voting scheme would probably be hella effective.

      On the other hand, it would take years of work to implement due to all the legislative roadblocks you’d encounter from politicians who like the way our current system works (not the least of which would be the guy who just won the White House because of the way our current system works). It would require doing away with the Electoral College — a feat that’d take a lot of political capital to pull off — as well as standardizing ballots across every state, not to mention hiring and training federal poll workers.

      The biggest, longest-lasting changes in politics start at the actual “grassroots”. So get involved with your local- and state-level politics — elect candidates at those levels who want to change the system so they can change the systems we have in place at those levels. Work with people outside of your city and state to build a coalition of such candidates. You won’t get anywhere by complaining about the system…but you can get somewhere by electing people who can (and want to) change it for the better.

      • wrkrb says:

        What if the infrastructure was not electing people but rather providing citizens with accurate information about each other’s views so that they as individuals could make more informed decisions and organize better?

  28. Nina says:

    Anyone who cries over a candidate in a presidential election in America in 2016 is emotionally handicapped and I feel so sorry for you. Not super sorry, because nothing will change no matter who’s president at this point, but you’re experiencing actual pain that’s based on something that exists only in your imagination. I blame the media, they have handled all of your hopes and fears so fucking poorly. People: the GOP fucking hates Trump. They tried to get him kicked off the ticket like 30 days before the election. Fox news has made him their sworn enemy. Until 2012, he was a Democrat. There are thousands and thousands of politicians representing the American people and they all fucking hate his orange chubby cheeto ass. Nothing bad is going to happen under him that wouldn’t happen under Hillary.

    Also, as a note to myself and maybe others: fuck being “under” someone. Stop identifying with these fuckers. Hillary Clinton hasn’t driven a car in 35 years. She thinks you’re a fucking peasant and you’re all acting like peasants. Be your own person, master your skills, be creative, buy land if you can, share your food, get a life.

    *The Hispanic grandma call center story is heartbreaking – she is full of love for her kids, and full of hope for the goodness of their lives. Fuck all politicians for making empty promises and taking her money, and the money of naive people like her. Fuck them.

    • Aletheia says:

      Re: “People: the GOP fucking hates Trump. They tried to get him kicked off the ticket like 30 days before the election.”

      Sure, fine. Go with the idea that they hate Trump and won’t do what he commands.

      That’s all well and good. But that doesn’t change the fact that they have a good portion of Congress, and without a non-Republican president, can (and almost certainly WILL) run rough-shod over the little progress we’ve made in the last 8 years, let alone the last few decades, by pretty much doing whatever they want, within the powers laid out for them.

  29. Strangely Rational says:

    Anyone who takes the time to put down someone who cries over a candidate in a presidential election in America in 2016 is emotionally handicapped and I feel so sorry for you.

  30. thrace says:

    Fuck Gary Johnson? If the democrats had put a half decent human being in the running, the outcome may have been different. If they’d bothered to vote, the outcome would have been different (a 9.22% DROP as it stood with 97% reporting). In the 13 states where the 3rd party vote covered the spread between clinton and trump, 7 of them were won by clinton. Hell, SHE played 2nd fiddle to a 3rd Party candidate in Utah coming in 3rd in votes!! That should tell you something. Fuck Gary Johnson? Fuck you.

    • J Lynn says:

      Hillary is 100% decent. She ran on a platform of pluralism and progressive policy. She is sincere and she is a dedicated civil servant.

      Please do not slander someone who fought hard for the best parts of America. In doing so, you also insult the intelligence and commitment of the majority of voters who voted.

      Personally, I don’t say “fuck Gary Johnson.” There will always be fringe candidates, and cursing them isn’t the solution, it’s a distraction from our core problems. A < 10 percent faction isn't the problem. The problem is the voters who co-signed Trump’s bigotry and incompetence, and the Republican Party and media figures who assisted him.

      So defend Gary if you so desire. But in doing so, please do not slander a woman who stood up to bigotry and stood for pluralism and progressivism.

  31. Chris says:

    I voted for Gary Johnson because he was my first choice. As a veteran I’m sick of how far expanded we are. The simple monthly payroll of all those troops in Germany and Korea, etc. enrich those countries. If you put a base with 1000 troops in Michigan, the monthly influx of real cash to buy cars, groceries, homes, and movie theater tickets would boost the economy, especially when it came to construction on the land.

    Now, someone might say, ‘hey we don’t need that many troops stateside.’ To that, I say that we’re getting close to agreeing with each other.

    As for hope for the future, let’s get behind Tammy Duckworth. If you don’t know who she is, you’re not as informed as you think you are when you’re fucking Gary Johnson.

  32. Jill Stein 2016 says:

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  33. Gvoo says:

    How to join your resistance? Sign me up.

    I’m an American 30-something in a VERY blue state and mad as hell. I’ve donated to planned parenthood, joined a volunteer group that supports charities for disadvantaged women in my city and am attending a protest on Jan 21st in my city. I subscribed to the NY Times to support accurate information and donated to NPR. I’m trying my best to be kind because kindness is a commodity right now.

    I’m doing everything in my immediate power but want to do more.

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